How to Heal with Sound Baths. Travis and Drew from Healing Vibrations share their story.

Travis Schumacher: 0:00

The sound math is there to help relax the mind, relax the body. It can help you sleep, it can decrease stress, it can decrease tension, it can dis decrease hypertension, there's so many profound effects that the crystal balls can have on the body that you don't know exactly what's going to happen because it's different for everybody.

Melissa Bright: 0:35

Hello, and welcome, guys to another week's episode of The Bright Side of Life. It's me your host, Melissa bright, and it's if it's your first time listening to the show, I just want to say welcome. And I want to give you a little bit of background about my story and why this podcast even exists in the first place. So I had my daughter when I was 16 years old. And through that experience, it made my mom closer than ever before. She was literally my everything, she became my support system, she was my best friend. And she definitely was my teacher. But unfortunately, a short 10 years later, she passed away, I was only 25. And my daughter was 10. And looking back on it now I truthfully know that I was just in survival mode. So for all of these 10 years, I really did not process the trauma of losing my mom, I pushed it down, I compartmentalized it. And I didn't deal with it. Now, that brings us to 2020 that I was really depressed, I wanted to talk to my mom. And I decided it was time for a change. So simultaneously, I started therapy. And I also decided to start a podcast to help others, like I was feeling not feel alone and their own struggles. So then in 2020, that's when my healing journey really, really started. Then in 2021, unfortunately, I lost my other parent, I lost my dad. So by the age of 35, I had already lost both parents. So that has made my healing journey even more so because I had to redo this all over again, when my dad passed away, and my dad's losing my dad was a whole nother trauma, because he wasn't in my life. And it was a relationship that I had wanted so badly for so long, and, you know, really thought that that it was going to happen, because he had just moved back to the same state I was in. So, you know, that's, that's probably why you're here, you know, to be inspired by these stories to be inspired. And to know that you're not alone in your own struggles, you know, we might have a very, very similar story, we might have a polar opposite story. But you know, to know that you're not alone and to hear other people share their stories and how they have been able to come out on the other side is really what I wanted to do with my podcast. So I really hope that you enjoy everybody's stories. And you take a little bit from each episode, and you can learn from some of the experts that I have on here. And you know, you're either just now starting on your healing journey, or somewhere in the middle of it or, you know, who knows, but I hope my podcast can help you in some way. That brings me to this week's episode, and we're gonna get into that you might have not, you might have noticed that last week, I did not put out an episode. And I'm just going to be really honest, recently for a while I have really been struggling with some chronic fatigue, and it has taken a toll on me. And for a long time, I still don't have answers as to where this is coming from. And I was taking a supplement that was actually helping with my energy levels. And I would be good for a couple hours. But unfortunately, it is also followed by extreme crashes, extreme fatigue. I started taking this medicine, I just had started taking anxiety medicine that I talked to you guys about last year. Well that, you know, they always say at least with this medicine, it says that it can cause drowsiness, this was nowhere on the level of drowsiness, this was extreme extreme fatigue feeling like I was awake for days at a time. So I did not correlate that that was a medicine for quite a while. Well then I found the supplement that I know that gave me energy. So I kept I was taking that. And then I realized and found out that you know this has it. It it has its ups and downs also. So currently I am in this phase that I just knew that this was not I could not sustain this. I have been struggling with feeling so tired for so many months and I just really wanted To see if if, you know, it's the supplements or whatever. So last week I am, I have stopped taking the supplements. But I'm still really experiencing this fatigue, I know it has to get out of my system. So at this point, I guess I'm in the, the trial phase to see, you know, was this truly the supplement, my mom did have fibromyalgia. My grandma had lupus, so two autoimmune diseases, I'm pretty sure lupus is autoimmune. And so that could definitely be playing a factor. But it's taken a toll on me and my mental health, not having the energy I'm only 36 years old, and to feel this way can be extremely, extremely defeating. And you really, really have to fight hard for your thoughts. And that's where I have been, and I just want to say, you know, to have your your energy and your alertness taken taken from you is, it's so hard. And I know so many people that, that deal with autoimmune diseases and other things that, you know, make you feel tired and have even worse symptoms than I am experiencing. And so I just want to say, you know, I'm very sorry that you you're going through that. And, you know, it's an it's something that I never thought that I would experience. And I guess this is all part of getting older and seeing what really truly happens. But that's why I did not have an episode come out last week, I it is pretty minute by minute to see how I'm gonna feel. Today, I've already had a meltdown because I woke up feeling pretty energized. And then a short hour later, I felt like I was awake for four days straight. And I had to go back to bed, cried myself to sleep because I was so tired. So it's just kind of like I said, minute by minute. And yeah, so if you follow me on social media, you know, I've made posts about this, and I've talked about this. So I just want to be honest with my podcast listeners of you know, I really, really needed to listen to myself. And last week, I didn't have an episode, you know, already in the can and I just I needed I was in bed for two days straight. So that's where we are. And I'm just trying as hard as I possibly can. So I want to say thank you to my listeners that are that are always with me. Thank you for bearing with me. And I hope you guys didn't miss me too much. Okay, now we can officially get into today's episode. Today I am talking with Travis Schumacher and drew Griffin from healing vibrations media. Welcome, guys. Before I get into what you guys really do, I just want to introduce you to the show. Usually I like read BIOS before and you guys are sitting there forever. So I figured I'd say hi, before I go into all that.

Travis Schumacher: 7:57

That's great. Thank you so much for having us.

Melissa Bright: 8:00

Yeah, absolutely. So who are Travis and drew. So they have a company called Healing vibrations media. And how I discovered you guys is I was searching on YouTube for actually something to fall asleep to. I usually have my Pandora music and for calming meditation music, but we have this huge TV in our room. And I'm like, I want to find something on YouTube that might have visuals also. And I don't even remember what I Googled. But all of a sudden, I'm seeing like these bright neon colors and these like crystal bowls. And I'm like, Yeah, that's what I'm that's what I'm gonna watch. And that's what it was a sound bath. And some of my audience might not know what that is. And so that's what we're really going to talk today about is what are sound baths, how can they help us what are the benefits and go through all that. But before we get started, I always want to know how people get to where they are now in life. So I don't care either Travis or drew I you know if you guys can both say, you know really how you got here, maybe what your background is and how all of this even started. I know you guys have been doing this since 2018. So that would be my first question. Whoever wants to go.

Travis Schumacher: 9:19

Yeah, drew my starts off. Go for it. All right. Um, yeah. Hi, everyone. My name is Travis. So my my journey goes back pretty far with that the sound healing scope of things and like meditation and everything. And I've been I've been working with sound since maybe 2016. That was when I got my first crystal singing bowl. And before that, I you know, many many years ago I was on a very strange path. And as I was like discovering myself I got into meditation and all that stuff. And through meditation, I ended up having an out of body experience that shifted my entire worldview, it changed. Like, I came back and I wasn't the same person, I was just just so much more wanting to help the planet and help the world and in a bigger way than I was. And then fast forward a few like few years later, you know, I've, I am someone that experiences a lot of anxiety and a lot of stress. And I, I, I always say that I'm a man of extremes. I go for much, I could just zoom right off, and then I can come down and I zoom right off when I come back down. And I just really have always been searching for ways to cope with these extremities of my personality. And for my birthday, one year, my girlfriend at the time had given me a 432 hertz crystal singing bowl. And I had never, I had never even seen these before, like I had a Tibetan bowl like one of the cheaper ones just small. And when I played it for the first time, it was, it was the first time and I say this, every time every time I talked about it, because it was so profound to me that when I played that singing bowl, it was the first time I heard sound inside of my head. I heard it, I heard it inside, like going around like a womb room. Even though I was sitting still, it felt in my meditation, it felt like my consciousness was like whipping like that it was so strange. And it just, it sparks something so big inside of me. And I was just like, what, you know, like, what is this boat, like what is happening, I didn't know what a sound bath was. I didn't know any of that stuff. And then fast forward about another year. And I go to Thailand for just trying to discover myself more. And I was saying silent retreats, silent the pasta retreats. And during the transitions in the retreat, you would hear the bell ring, for every time you enter the next stage of what we're doing at the silent retreat. And the sound of that bell, you would hear it and it would just fill your chest with just like like joy, like it just felt so. But before I got in there, I was saying at this monastery, I love to share the story because it's almost like I was it was almost like the universe like fast track me straight to where I needed to be. But um, I was exploring this monastery, it was my, my first day in Thailand. And firstly, out of the country never been anywhere out of the country like this. And I was all by myself in this monastery. And like, I'm exploring the monastery walking around, and I see this garbage on the ground. And I'm like, oh, you know, like, why is there garbage in the middle of the jungle in this beautiful monastery, I was like, I'll just clean it up. And so I go to clean it up and this dog down the down the way like season and cleaning it and it's like a wild feral dog. And it starts like barking and losing its mind on me. And I'm like, oh, like I didn't realize okay, it's all chewed up. Bottles make sense? Like, it's probably their toy. So I like put it down. And then after he did this bark around the corner of one of the, one of the like, pagoda things that they had, it was like a pack of maybe eight or nine wild, like fully like savage dogs. And they, they came around the corner and it was like it was like a game. Like one of them's like comes like around the corner. You say something, and then they the whole pack of them just start chasing after me. And I mean, I'm out of my element. And I'm like, totally terrified, because they're all like feral dogs. And they're Yeah, they're in patches. Like this monster and I'm like running for my life. And these dogs are literally behind me like biting at my ankles just like I must be eating my back a wild monetary my first night, my first day in Thailand. And they actually chased me to this monastery where like, a few monks came running out and they're like, throwing rocks at the at them to like, scare him off whatever. He was like, oh, like what just happened? And they actually chased me to a part in the monastery where there's this German monk. And he had these two Tibetan bowls like just small ones. He was playing them really lightly. And he I like, he started talking to me, and I shared my story with him and he gave me this profound lesson on why you don't run from packs of dogs when they chase you and like, it was like, he was mad taught me a lot within the couple of seconds. I met him, but he had me lay down. He asked me if I wanted to try these singing bowls. And I was like, like, sure, like I lay down. He played the Tibetan bowls on my stomach in my chest. And it was, again the first time I felt viable. reactions inside my body on like a cellular, I could, I could just, I could feel things happening inside of my like whoa like this is it gave me goosebumps, all these things. And I just kept having these experiences in Thailand with sound like another I went to this ecstatic dance, I love to dance I love just express myself. And at the very end of the dance, this guy has come through this tuning fork, and he was putting it on everybody's third eye in their heart. And he put it on my third eye in my heart. And I was like feeling these vibrations, and they're changing me in ways that I've never experienced before. And after, like every interaction that I had with these instruments, I was just like, This is what I want to do. Like, I want to do something with these bowls, I want to do something with these events. And I just want to heal the world in a bigger way, because I wasn't a massage therapist, but I wanted to, you know, heal the world at a at a bigger rate, like help people to heal. And so one thing led to another and I ended up, you know, building my collection over the years, and I developed a program for the four seasons in downtown Seattle. They accepted it. And we're doing that we did a few rounds that but one day. So Drew and I have been friends since the very beginning. So we've been neighbors since the day that we were born.

Melissa Bright: 16:17

Oh my gosh,

Travis Schumacher: 16:19

we grew, we've grown up our entire lives together. Oh my gosh. And one day, we were like visiting each other. Or we were both visiting our parents on like a holiday and we hadn't talked in a few years. And Drew had we like, bumped into each other outside. And like we were just like catching up. And Drew had mentioned that he had been doing like all this research on YouTube. And like, he wanted to make like a, like a relaxation type content for You Tube and, like ASMR along those lines. And he like told me what I was doing or asked me what I was doing. And I was like, Oh, I'm working with these crystal singing bowls. Now, this is what I'm doing. And like he was just like light bulbs sparking. Like, whoa, like, would you did you want to like maybe like that, that kind of looks? Like it sounds exactly like what I'm looking for. Get together and try putting together a sound bath or put what yeah, do one of these. I'm like, I like Shepherd. Yeah, why not? Let's do it. So I invited him over and gave him his first sound. And the rest was history.

Melissa Bright: 17:23

Oh my gosh. Okay, that's amazing. And before we go any further drew, I will get to your you know, your a little bit of your background? Um, can I ask you, Travis about your out of body experience that you experienced? If you don't mind? I have done a little bit of meditation, but not to like the full extreme. I haven't experienced that. But I have heard so many people that they have. And I'm like, How long do I need to do this? When is this gonna happen? Like, what does that mean? So can you describe that?

Travis Schumacher: 17:59

Yeah. It's actually a really long, elaborate story. I won't, I won't go that much into the details just because it could we could be here for a long time. But as like the beginning stages of it, so I had, I went through a really dark phase in my life for about three years. And when I came out of that, I was on the the search of life. I was like, you know, what's the meaning to like? Like, what's the point of living? Like, what, what is like, is there a higher power? Is there an afterlife is like what I just wanted to know things. Yeah. And it just got me on. It had me turned to meditation. I was like, Well, you know, like, maybe I'll just explore meditation and just see what happens. You know, like, people talk about enlightenment, and the Buddha finding enlightenment. And so I was just trial and error just every single day, just not even knowing anything, not knowing what I was doing. You know, we didn't really have Google back then to like, just like, look up what to do. And so I was just exploring every single day by myself in silence, and just just seeing where it would take me. And then one day, my roommate at the time, who was an atheist. He came home from work one day, and he's like, Dude, he's like, I just had the craziest experience. And I was, like, what happened? He's like, so I was at Fort Myers. And he's like, from all the way across on the other side of the store. This little old Asian woman, she looked like she was homeless. She just had like, all these robes on all these clothes. And he's like, she spotted me out of all the whole people in the whole entire store. And she's like, she just like be lying to me all the way across the store to me specifically pass everybody. And she gave him this. This card. And on this card was this chat. She was like, you have to have this you have to have this and she just kept giving it to him. And he got home. He's like, he told me the story. I was like, Whoa, like that's, that's really interesting. He's like, Well, here's he's like, I I don't think it's for me. It's like, I think it's for you. And he like gave it to me. And it was actually the chant. Nam myoho rengay kayo or Nam myoho renge kyo. I'm not sure 100% The origins of that. I'm pretty sure it's India. But there's, I might even be saying it wrong. But I didn't know what I didn't know what it was. And I just got this chin. To me. I was saying like, Nam, Myoho, rengay kayo. And so I started just exploring that chant. And I started doing that chant over and over again. And I would, after I would finish that chant, I would feel something. It's like my buddy Chang, I'm making the story long. I'm so sorry.

Melissa Bright: 20:42

We have time, we have an hour, we're good.

Travis Schumacher: 20:48

And I was just like, starting to experience all these crazy things inside of me. And my roommate was a disaster. And so I, we were, we had like this crazy falling out. And it left me alone by myself for the first time to live by myself for a whole month. And so I really dove into meditation really dove into all this stuff. And one day, I'm sitting on my chair in my living room, and I'm doing the chant, and doing the so like, the whole goal is to not try. And it's really hard. Like, it's so easy to leave your body and having it by experience. But it's so hard if you don't know, like how easy actually. And so I'm, it's about letting go. Like I do this letting go meditation, I'd let go, my whole entire body would go through my toes all the way to my head, just like each part of my body acknowledging and being like, Okay, I see you, thank you for carrying me, now I let you go. And then my legs would be relaxed. But as soon as I let them go consciously, they would go. And it would relax even deeper. And so I do that until I got to the very top of my head, and then all so the vibrations were happening. And so you the key to those experiences, you know, so I close my eyes, you cross them, and you look up and it looks across with your eyes, you cross your eyes look up through, it's like almost like you're trying to look out of a top eye. Okay, yep. And in your ears, you hear a ringing. There's like a ringing that we hear like, when you sit in silence, there's not real true silence. There's like a white noise, silence that's in the silence of time space. And when you listen to that, and you look up, and you breathe, and I had mantra, just like, just like, just like, just like, just, I was just saying over and over. And then all of a sudden, it was as if I like unlocked, like, my body became like a machine. And my body all of a sudden, I'm not moving, nothing's moving. But all of a sudden my body goes. It was like, it was like my body was locking. And it was just like, like, every part of my body was sealing in like, I was like a robot. It was so strange. But after I sealed every part of my body, it felt as if someone took a bucket of warm back to water, and poured it up my spine. Like all of a sudden it was like it was almost like, it sounds weird. But as long as like I peed my pants. It was like just warm. That overflowed up my body. And all of a sudden I felt something going up my spine like this. And I had it scared me because I I knew that my back was pressed against the chair. Yeah, but I feel like someone's hand warm hands are going up my spine. And as soon as I read as soon as it gets to the top, it hits my eye. And all of a sudden it goes and in like, it's so crazy. I get goosebumps talking about

Melissa Bright: 23:50

I have goosebumps right now.

Travis Schumacher: 23:53

The pressure of me looking up opened to like another level of looking up. And it was it was as if I opened an inner eyelid that was like glued shut and it was like as soon as that weren't hit it, it was like a break and all sudden they were just like his. She was like this electricity, electricity, metallic, spectacular explosion. And it was like a heartbeat pulse that went and like connected both sides of my brain hemispheres. And this electricity just exploded. And all of a sudden, I was everything. I'm like it made me want to cry when I say us. I didn't have a body I was the universe and I had there was no front there was no back. I had no there was there was no singular point of my consciousness. I was just this big, giant, infinite expansive blanket of everything that ever was through all eternity forever. And there was no thought of Travis Travis didn't exist. My life didn't exist. Nothing existed except for this beautiful spectacular infinity experience of just always knowing that I forever was. Yeah, and there was stars also all around me. And it was like I had this it was like my body was this big blanket. And in the stars were like Christmas lights on me in my blanket, and they were all flowing together. And I was there eternity, I was there for just forever. There was there was no more connection to Travis. And then out of nowhere in the space of the blackness, and the light. It was as if this it was like a book, a glowing book with TV screens just comes. It just comes in, it's floating in time space. And it just comes down to my view. And when I see it, I'm not like, I'm not like, like, what is this, like, I knew what it was like, there was no like contemplation of where I was or why I was there, there was no thought of what I would be thinking with my natural mind, right? Like this in full knowing. And as the screams were coming like they were, they were going by, like someone had like a picture book. And they're like, just like making the page by so fast. And they were just going by. But time is so different there because it was going fast. But as each so like as each page would come, it was like it was like they were like floating TV screens. So the screen come out as like a page of a book. And I would see someone like a man, his wife, their child in their yard, their picket fence, their dog, and I knew every single detail about every single of them, it was I knew them as if they were me. And then the next one would come and it would be you know, like I'm in a whole nother different country. And I'm seeing like watching Native Americans, you know, running across the plains, in the prairies, doing anything. Every single one of them, I knew the horses, I knew the location, I knew I knew everything. And these are gone by like, just like flying by, but I have enough time process every single one so strange. And all of a sudden one of those screens pops out. And it's me sitting on my chair. And it in that moment. I'm like, That's me. And I had the realization of me being alive in that experience. And I go into the experience. And then all of a sudden, I'm like, all sudden, I hear I thought I had left my radio on full blast, because it was just like this crazy noise that is just so overwhelming. And all of a sudden, I opened my eyes. And I'm on my chair and I'm on my on my, in my home am I and every single part of my body was in a muscle spasm. So like it was like my soul. Soul was coming back into my vehicle. And I was looking at my hands and like I'm like shaking right now, because of the story. I haven't told it in a while. And I just started bawling my eyes out. And I was just like, What just happened to me, like, no substance, like just full sober meditation. I lost all identity to Travis and somehow found my way back to Travis, which was like a profound lesson in that, you know, like, you know, maybe it's like, we're not in control. You know, like, if I don't know how I was able to come back. It's the whole thing. Like I was saying, No, Travis. And the fact that I came back shows, you know, like, we are a part of this big, infinite space. But we've also like, fragmented ourselves out to experience that separation and experience these lives as individuals. And so yeah, that when that After that happened, I became the crazy guy. And everyone thought it was crazy, because I was like trying to share the story with everyone who people are just like, Dude, you're not like, like I had, I went through a really dark phase actually after that, because I felt so alone with my what I experienced and like no one I could talk to about it, and no one I can relate to about it. And ended up having another one about three weeks later, which was a totally different experience. And both of those, I haven't really tried since because I was able to, I saw everything that I needed to see. And I I came back to change man and I wanted to heal the world. And I wanted to help everybody find this knowledge. But you can't really tell anybody the knowledge you just can only give them love and like help them heal themselves so that they can, in turn, hopefully try to find that enlightenment and that experience on their own through their own healing modality.

Melissa Bright: 29:31

Yeah, yeah. I think it's funny that you said no substance because I was like, This sounds like some kind of tripper or something. But I, I have heard and that's why I asked you about your experience first, because I've heard people talk about it, but I've never got to ask them like, Hey, what did it feel like? And you described it so perfectly well for you. Maybe that's how it is for other people. Maybe it's not but at least like I believe you because I think it's totally possible. It's Just you have to let go. So, yeah, I appreciate you sharing that.

Travis Schumacher: 30:05

Yeah, thank you for receiving it. Um, another really interesting thing about it is that, like I've done you know, psychedelics before. And I feel like having an out of body experience in psychedelics, you come back and it like fades from me like a dream. Like, it's almost hard to like, remember everything that happened, you and your community like hanging on and it just like slips away like a dream. Whereas my out of body experiences when I was totally sober, were no different than real life. And I remember them as deep as real life. And when I came back, the knowledge didn't slip away. Like it was totally there.

Melissa Bright: 30:39

That's good to know. Yeah. Experimenting, experimenting? Yeah. I know exactly. Exactly. DREW. Is your is your son still asleep? Do you got time to tell us your story?

Drew Griffen: 30:55

He's stirring, but he's gonna let him wake up. All right. Yeah, my my story's not nearly as exciting as Travis is how do you fall right out? No, my story is, is that, um, I went to film school. And I worked at Amazon Video. I was there for five years. And I kind of I was more in distribution at that point, and I had wanted to get back to making something creative. And I didn't really know how that was going to happen with my current career path. But I was like, obsessed with YouTube. And really, like, at the time, like, ASMR was like a new concept. Yeah. And I was like, I remember my brother telling me like about ASMR. And he just thought it was like hilarious and weird. And I, when he explained to me, I was like, Oh, I immediately understood what he was talking about. I was like, I understand that feeling. Like, I chase that feeling all the time. And so I started, like, looking at the YouTube ASMR world. And I just felt like, none of it was really what I was looking for, like, I am someone who has like a lot of like, tension in my body. And that's like a constant battle for me. And so I'm always looking for ways to just really try to relax. And I really appreciated the little tiny bits of content that was out there. That was just like watching someone perform a task, a skill, quietly, no talking. Like, that's, that's my favorite type of I don't even know if you'd call it ASMR. It's more like the like Bob Ross kind of thing. That I appreciate it. And so I had been looking for artists to film their process. And I'd actually done some work with a few different people. And then that's when that's when Travis and I talked. And I had just quit Amazon. And I was sort of just looking for how can I get back in the film world? I was. I was going on 30. And I had met the girl I knew I was gonna marry. And I just felt like, if I'm going to do a career shift that has to happen now. Yeah. And so I just left with no plan. And kind of spent like, the summer just hiking like almost every day, and then working on these projects with these artists to film them working. Yeah. And then that's when Travis and I ran into each other that probably like sometime around Thanksgiving, or no, it must have been earlier than that. But anyway, we he told me about this and I was like Travis you have no idea. This is exactly what I've been looking for. Like I don't know. I didn't know exactly what he was talking about. But I think the way you describe it Travis is like the people that play like the glass like the wine glasses, like with different levels of water. Yeah. And so like in my mind there was the visual of Travis you know, playing the bowl, and I just thought that this was so this could be so relaxing, paired with like, the music and everything. And so I asked him to show me and we went over to his place and he did a sound bath for me and we filmed it and I watched it back and we talked about it and I just knew that we had to put this out there and we put it out there. I remember it was like a Friday morning when it went out and within like a couple of hours. hours, it had like 27 views or something, which was to me was crazy. We're like we ever ever put anything on YouTube with on like a brand new channel? Yeah, if it gets, if it gets, like 10 views in a week, that's good, you know, like, depending on the content. Yeah. And so I thought, okay, maybe we have something here. And so we kind of just did it every once in a while for a few months. And it just like kept kind of like going along. We're like gaining some subscribers. And we're like, oh, man, maybe this can be a business. And I was at the time I had developed, like, I was doing work with other artists. And then I was also doing commercials for local businesses.

Melissa Bright: 35:49

Yeah.

Drew Griffen: 35:52

But at a certain point, I think it was about six months in one of the videos caught on and it just like exploded like, to us at the time, at least. So it was getting like, like hundreds and hundreds of views every day. And we were gaining, I think we gained, we went from like 100 subscribers to 1000 subscribers in like a month. And then after that, we went to 10,000 and another month. And I basically just like, shelved my other business. And I was like Travis, like we did do this, we need to put a video out every week. Yeah. And so basically, since then, for like three and a half years now, we've put out a sound bath every single week. And to me, like I love when when we first started talking, Melissa, you had mentioned that you were looking for something that was like visual, that was relaxing, but was also visual. And that was really like, my whole goal was like, let's I told Travis early on, like, the music is like what's great about this, right? The music is why people are watching and the music is so good. But it's my personal goal to make the visuals as relaxing as the music. And if we can do that, like, we will have succeeded and people will watch regularly. And I don't know if we're quite there. But I'm so grateful every time I see a comment that's talking about, like, how relaxing the visuals are for people. And we knew that there was a lot of sound bath content on YouTube already. But sort of what I saw was that, you know, they were leaving half of the platforms up half of the opportunity that the platform presented on the floor by just using like a still image as the visual, right?

Melissa Bright: 37:46

Yeah, yeah.

Drew Griffen: 37:48

why would why wouldn't you try to make the other component of this platform, as good as, as the music is the audience. So that's what we set out to do. And, and I think people responded to that parody, like Travis's side of it my side of it both like visually, but also like, just our personalities, like Travis is like, deeply spiritual and comes at it from that side. And for me, I'm, I'm more targeting, like people who are like myself, and just like, have a lot of like, you know, bodily ailments or muscle tension or seeking this stress relief, or whatever. And we've kind of like, clumped those together. And it's great, because I think we have a much broader appeal. And that was the whole goal.

Melissa Bright: 38:40

Yeah. I cannot. I mean, you guys now just on YouTube alone, I think, what is it? 378,350? I don't know. How are you sent me? We just hit it. Yeah. Yeah, like, That is incredible. And the I know, the view or the YouTube, the YouTube video I saw was like 3 million views. And like, it was literally everything that I wanted. And I told you, we had the 70 inch TV screen in our room. Not only do we have that my boyfriend has like these LED lights for every color that comes on the screen, our whole belt back wall lights up. So then I have that. And I'm like, he comes out. He's like, What are you doing? And I'm like, I am straight chillin right now. And I'm like, I have got to talk to these people. I just thought it was it's amazing. I mean, it is literally everything that you at least for me everything that you guys have set out to do. I think it's incredible. The visuals, I'm like, I scroll through the videos and see different setups. I see the different lights I see. And I'm just like, what are they going to do this time? What is this going to be and it's awesome. It's so awesome. Thank you Right, yeah. So before we go any further, because I'm sure people at this point are like, What the hell is a sound bath? Like? What does that even mean? What what are you guys talking about? So, can, whoever wants to take it? What is a sound bath? And what does it help people? Do?

Travis Schumacher: 40:22

Yes, yes. So a sound bath is exactly what it sounds like. It's, it's your being bathed in sound waves. And so a sound bath is it mainly started as something that you actually go and experience. So like, it's something that is done live. And we kind of really tried to bring that into the channel of it feeling as much as it can, like it would be if you were there live. But yeah, as you as you're hearing sound, you know, that's sound waves that are reaching your ears. And so therefore those those sound waves are also just bouncing off the walls bouncing off your bodies. And as you're laying there, the whole goal of the sound that is to just listen, and just feel what happens. And as you lay there, and you're bathed by the sound waves, a specific frequency might stimulate a reaction in this part of your body, like an involuntary one, like maybe you have, you know, like really bad knot in your shoulder. Yeah, and you go, you listen to the sound, whap sound back. And as you go through these different, these different bowls, all of a sudden you reach one of them, the act, you are actually feeling in that in that pain in that pain spot. So you have seven different bowls. But only when you play specific bowl, do you actually feel that area. And with that sound, it goes in there, it vibrates ourselves, it mood gets her blood flow, and it decreases, you know, the cortisol, like just those harmful ones that can really flood our system and cause you know, all sorts of damage inside. But yeah, and they also did a study recently that showed that. So when you meditate, it can often take you you know, 15 to 30 minutes to lower your brainwaves from the Alpha brainwave state, or the beta, down to the theta and delta. And with the crystal singing bowls, they've discovered that you can, you can get to that delta and theta state within 30 seconds. So it's almost like a cheat code. And so when you're listening, when you're experiencing the sound, that your brainwaves will actually match the resonance of the bowls that you're hearing. And they'll either you know, pick up or they'll slow down. And then as you slow down, it creates a chain reaction of decompression, you just it lots of it is unbound, involuntary, so like you would might be listening, and then all of a sudden, you feel this in this specific spot. And you take a deep breath into that pain and discomfort that you're experiencing. And all of a sudden, you'll feel that area just like pop. And that's, that's something that I experienced myself. And that's why it was one of the biggest reasons why I wanted to convert, you know, over to the sound therapy is because I used to be a massage therapist, and I would experience horrendous pain in my left rhomboid everyday, like a dagger just sticking in there constantly. Right. And this, my favorite bowls, the note see, it's so deep, and it holds really nice heavy resonance. But as I was resonating a couple of the bowls back when I first got it, I would feel that area, it was almost like a, like a buildup of the pain, like it was like the pain would get worse and worse and worse. I'm like, Oh my gosh. And I would just like breathe it breathe through it, and I will just keep playing. And then it finally reached the point where it was like, it was like a, like a malignant cell that was growing with the vibration. And then it just popped. And I felt I even remember it because it was almost like a, like a, like someone had a rubber band that was wound up. The Revenge was just like, it was like my muscle unwound in that spot. And I've never had that pain to this day, ever since all because of the crystal singing bowls. The sound that is there. The sound math is there to help relax the mind, relax the body. It can help you sleep. It can decrease stress, it can decrease tension. It can dis decrease hypertension. There's so many profound effects that the crystal bowls can have on the body that you don't know exactly what's going to happen because it's different for everybody. So this specific frequency might sound horrible to you. But to somebody else, that's the frequency that their body needs. And it sounds great to them. Yeah, and Yeah, the sound bath is just the experiencing of sound and exploring where your consciousness goes when you experience it.

Melissa Bright: 45:08

Yeah, I, you explained it so well, because I did not know that much about. And of course, I like Googled more. And I knew it had like, healing components to it. And some people like, my podcast is meant to bring education to people with like, how ways we can heal ourselves, whether it's through some type of therapy that they might not have heard of, to, this is exactly why you're here to talk about this, because different modalities can work for different people. You know, some people might be able to sit there in in meditate, but maybe some people really struggle with that I know a girl that she can't, because her sitting still really creates a lot of chaos for her like brain. So she has to do like movement for her like therapy. But for other people like this would be perfect. And that's where I got curious about myself. I'm like, well, let's see what this is. Let's see what this does, you know. But for any of my listeners that like might be saying like, this sounds like woowoo or a little bit crazy. Like, there is actual, like evidence that this isn't like, well, maybe this, maybe this is how it is. I'm not explaining it really well. But like, this is like scientific proof like all of our body is made up of energy. And water. And sound will move this energy. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is what is happening. And this is so so important.

Travis Schumacher: 46:45

Yep. Yep. And that's, that's, I love that you brought up the water component. asleep yet? Yeah. I've got, I've got my baby here, too.

Melissa Bright: 47:02

Yes. Famous cat. What? What's its name? Perseus. That's right. That's right. I saw him right. And I saw him going across your lap before. And I was gonna say, Oh, he made his debut. Oh, he's so funny. So funny.

Travis Schumacher: 47:21

I'm gonna jump back before I forget, um, I love that you brought up the water component. And so that is. So that was actually one of my main shifts in my own self is when I discovered Dr. Masaru Emoto. And that was, I discovered him around the same time that I had my out of body experience, where I got to see where he he proves and shows that vibration has an effect on water, it actually leaves these vibrational imprints, yeah, and there's this thing called Cymatics, where you can take sand and put it on a on a metal tray. And then you emit frequencies into the sand, and turns it into absolutely perfect geometric patterns absolutely perfectly as if they were made by, you know, more divine than we can ever imagine. And so when you see that these vibrations are affecting water like that, if your body has toxins in it, or it's, it's experiencing density in specific ways, if you look at that, kind of if you look at the watermark, molecules of body under microscope, you'll see that it's all like blotting patterns, you'll see that there's like clumps of cells together. It's not harmoniously flowing in your body. And that manifests is like, you know, lack of circulation of blood, lack of circulation of oxygen, yeah, all these different things. But then all of a sudden, you know, you put this frequency in this vibration, you listen to it, it's it's rattling and moving all of the cells in your body. And, you know, we're on, you know, work, it's, we're kind of at the stage of like, very, very early stages still, you know, like, there's still so much research to be done on sound healing, and it's so that it's not so much seen as, like this woowoo thing. And exactly, like, for me, I'm all into, like, I love the woowoo like that. But there are a lot of people that don't, you know, and that is where we really wanted to, we wanted to have that opportunity for people that don't believe in, you know, like, you know, a higher power or even you know, anything along those lines. If you're just a regular person who you know, loves, you know, whatever, whatever it is, we're also different. Yeah, the main thing that we wanted to do was make it so that everybody felt comfortable to listen to this stuff. So it's like, you don't have to believe in this. You don't have to believe in that. All we do is hold a space for you to come in and experience sound and see what happens. Like you might be someone that doesn't believe in woowoo at all. And then you have an experience when you're listening to sound that's going to shift. It's all of a sudden you believe in what will just write sound?

Melissa Bright: 50:13

Yeah, no, I totally agree. And that's the thing is, even if I would say sound baths can help reduce stress. That is not, that's not weird. That's like, oh, okay, well, we all have stress. So why? Why not? It's just like, the most relaxing sounds I've literally have ever heard. And so I'm like, Who would not want that in their life no matter whether, like, that's why, but sometimes I feel like people might. That's why I wanted to at least mention that component. Because they might be like, what this sounds weird, like, you're telling me sounds can like help heal or help reduce? And it's like, no, but yes, but then that's like, I always try to bring science into it to be like, this isn't just like, oh, this person made this up. And it that's, that's what people are doing now. Yeah. So do you? Is there a certain like, I know that they say like, they don't want you to do a certain like melody, obviously, because you just want to be like, free and let go. But is there a certain pattern that you do? Or how do you set up for your stuff?

Travis Schumacher: 51:23

Yeah, so everything for me is intention, I feel that, you know, you can, you can play one sound bath, and put a different intention on every single one of the exact same sound that and people might experience you know, whatever it is that that intention is based on the intention that we go into, that we go into it with. And so for me, I'll, we'll come up with a theme. And we'll think of, you know, like, what type of sound bath experience we want to create. So let's take yesterday's sound bath, for example, we released the Enlightenment sound mat. And it's, of course, you might not experience enlightenment when you when you listened to it, but we made that sound that to, to bring in a balance of both the lower frequencies and the higher frequencies. Because enlightenment, in our mind is like, a combination of everything all at once, you know, like is your all the sounds at the same time. And so we with that in mind, I will create specific feelings that are going to make you feel good. So like, I'll create like patterns with the symbols I write every single sound that that we make. And, and every single one they sound similar, but they are playing different, like a whole notes for a longer amount of time. And each of the bowls to me, they have very specific intentions. So like the bowls are associated with the chakras, okay. But also, it's just basically you know, lower vibrations to higher vibration. And then if when you based like the lower vibration, like what effect does lower vibrational bowls create, they create like a hug, they like hold grounding. They like they like hold space, where the higher vibrational frequencies are more of like stimulating like they were like your brain start thinking and firing, because of the activity of wavelength that is going through you. Right, and so, yeah, with the alignments on that, like, we did the low, really low octave with a really high pitch of a two part. And then those harmonies go together and they create this like, whole balanced vibration mixture of sounds that just can stimulate anything. And like yesterday, I had I got a headache. I don't really get headaches, but I ended up getting headache yesterday. Because I did sweat lodge and I sweat way too much. And I came in I put on the the headphones to listen to my sound bath and wait, I'm not even exaggerating. within one minute. My headache was totally gone. I'm like, Oh, my gosh, I'm just gonna sit here for a little bit. I just like in the thing about the music. It's like I'm not like trained like brag about, like my music. I just mean like crystal singing bowls in general. When I hear them, it's hard for me to leave. Like if I'm like doing a demo and like listening to how my sound that it turned out. I'm just gonna listen to it real quick. And I listened to it. I'll just all of a sudden I look down the clock and it's been like 20 minutes and I'm like, Oh my gosh, like when and that's a good indicator that you know, you need to listen to the vibrations. Because if you're if you're pulled into it, then that's yeah, there's actually one more thing I wanted to mention of something you said earlier about. So some people might feel you know, like they hear the singing bowls and they might be turned off by them which is really really interesting is that there's only three people I know in my life that hated my singing bowls like they absolutely like people that I know that yeah, they even listen to it for even a minute. Right? All three of those people are super, super high stress, high functioning anxiety, people, like people that are like, they can't even like simmer down. So like the thought of them taking into that space, it's almost like changing who they are. Yeah. They'll have to like, face themselves, and sit in that space with themselves and process their stuff. If someone doesn't want a process, they're going to hate the sound, and they're going to fight it, and they're going to push it away. And then they won't be able to let that sound come in and do the work that it needs to do.

Melissa Bright: 55:49

Yeah. Do you? Would you encourage them to try it anyway?

Travis Schumacher: 55:53

Absolutely. You hate the sound, I encourage you 1000 times more interesting, because depending on my mental state where I'm at, like some days, some of my crystal balls are like, they're like nails on the chalkboard in my ear. And when I feel that way towards them, I'm like, Oh, dang. Like, how did I get imbalanced in that spot, and I'll just like, I'll duke it out. And it'll reach a point where it starts to sound really good. Again, I'm like, okay, I can start incorporating this in our sound baths again. But like some sound bites, I'll be like, I hate this bowl right now. I don't want to hear. But it changed

Melissa Bright: 56:29

my gosh, that's so interesting. I think even like when I was listening to some of them, like you have your favorite sounds, and there's probably like, reasons for that, that we don't even like, Well, we do realize you realize, but as a person that doesn't know much about them. You're like, why did why don't I like that sound? Or why? Why is that? So that's interesting that you bring up that point. Do you I know you also do different have different instruments? Are those just the same thing? Like they're they're obviously for sound. I know that and they're doing the same frequencies because I don't it might have been the Enlightenment one or it might have been the Leo one, which I'm very excited for. Because I'm a Leo. So I'm like, we just got a surround sound in our living room, and I want to hear it because I had it down super low this morning. Because it was like 5am And I'm like, I can't have lions or anything like our subwoofer right next to my daughter's room should be freaking out. But I want to go back and listen to it when everybody's awake. And yeah, but there was like a, it almost looked like a what not a wind chime but a wind something that you were holding over them. I don't know which video that was for?

Travis Schumacher: 57:46

I believe it was Yeah, it is a wind chime. It's called the Koshi chime. Okay, yeah. And so, yeah, so each instrument in my mind is like a character in a story. Okay, and so with that Leo Salamat, for example, you know, like, there's like this deep resonance and the deep bass and the growl of a lion and the ferocity of like the courage and strength that allele brings. And that's why I wanted to bring the gong and because it's almost like the, like the growl and the roar of power that goes into everybody. And then, but also, you know, a Leo can be very compassionate and loving and caring that, you know, and you know, with that, I use the the Cauchy time Earth, so that associates with the heart, and so real in the heart, and so that brings in another stage of the sound bath, where it's like, okay, you've got this, like, intense part of the Leo. But then over here, you have this loving, comfortable, easygoing aspect of the Leo also. And I did that with each of the zodiac. So you can get like, the personalities of each of them. Because not one is only like this or only like that, right? And then I was like, you know, like, I would I've never heard a lion's roar or growl in any music ever. And I was like, I feel like it just needs to have like, the crowd of the like, you can like feel that, that that raw energy of nature with ailments. And so yeah, each instrument creates a different effect. Like we use the rains dick. I always see the rain stick is something that like washes down and like just washes our spirit clean. So I always imagined it as just like a shower of energy. And as those little beads come down, they just sprinkle everything away.

Melissa Bright: 59:40

So oh my gosh, that is awesome. I Yeah, I'm definitely gonna go back and listen to the LEA one and you definitely describe the Leo perfectly. I'm like, Yeah, that's me for sure. Okay, I have to ask this. Do you legitimately sit there for eight hours? No. I always lie. I fell asleep to I fell asleep to the first one I watched and then I woke up and it was light. And I was like, has that man been sitting there for? The most amazed? And I mean, I know like monks sit there for a long time. I'm like, maybe but holy crap, if not all the time.

Travis Schumacher: 1:00:21

No, I've I've definitely had my days where we've, you know, filmed three, four hours. Actually there. I think there's a day, we filmed six hours. So I've sat there we did seven. That's definitely one. Yeah, so I've sat there for seven hours straight before. But we've we've kind of like, compressed the work a little bit. And so we've been doing it for like, create a loop of the Christmas season balls and the effect and then we'll just make extra long so that people can listen to it while they're sleeping. Yeah, hopefully released one hour sound baths. And that was just me playing for the full hour, right? So many people use it for sleep. And so many people wanted it for a longer period of time that we're like, we need to make these longer so that people can get them.

Drew Griffen: 1:01:06

And we always we always mark in the chapters like what were the full sound bath ends, and where the loop begins. Just for the sake of like authenticity. Like we don't want people to think like Travis played for five minutes. And it's just so yeah, turn a loop for fun in that. So I want people to know, like where it starts and ends, like if you just want to experience the sound as it was designed and meant to be experienced.

Melissa Bright: 1:01:32

Yeah. That's awesome. That is so cool. I was like, I have to ask him that question. How often should people get bathed in a sound bath? Does it matter?

Travis Schumacher: 1:01:45

I think it all depends on where you are, emotionally. And also physically, if you are someone that experiences a lot of high stress, then any time you feel that stress, even throwing them on for like 510 minutes can change your world like that. Like whenever I get in these moments of just like the world's on my shoulders, I'll just throw in a sound bath, and it just goes away. And also, if you have trouble sleeping, so for me, I've never had an issue sleeping. But there are random nights that I do have trouble sleeping. And those nights that do come, I put I put those singing bowls on and it I don't even make it five minutes. I'm like, I'll be like, I'll be up for like 45 minutes not able to sleep. I'll put the singing bowls on and I'm out. Like, so. The best time to listen is when you feel like you're out of balance. If you feel like you're extra stress. If you feel like your body is achy and sore. Those are the best opportunities to listen to the sound back.

Melissa Bright: 1:02:50

Yeah, super relaxing. That's what I did for me. I literally like I could not fall asleep. And I'm like, I need to find something. And it was it was so perfect. So perfect. Okay, we have just a couple more questions. What was I gonna say? Oh, so I know you guys are in Seattle. So you guys do have live events that you guys are doing. So why don't you tell people about that. And if they're ever up in Seattle, where they can experience a sound bath from you guys?

Travis Schumacher: 1:03:21

Yes, definitely. So um, we we've been doing sound that's at the Four Seasons live sound as at the Four Seasons in downtown Seattle. And we'll do two shows on one Sunday, every month. Our next show is actually on the 21st of August. And we have shows at 10 o'clock, 10am and 12pm. But every single show is completely catered and themed to something very specific with very specific intentions. So, for example, like the last show that we did, we did body attunement where I do a guided meditation on top of the sound bath to guide people to go through different areas of the body and explore those areas. Yeah, and just, you know, give a little bit of guidance. And so yeah, every month, we don't have them booked out three months in advance yet. It's something that's happening. But right now, we're just booked out a month in advance. But we do have a website, that's healing vibrations. media.com. And we have an email list. So we send out, you know, maybe once a quarter, or maybe once a month, just show updates to let people know when our next shows are. So if anyone's like wanting to come visit or experience the Pacific Northwest, and they're here at a time that we're doing the sound bath, then putting yourself on the mailing list would be an awesome way to get that information.

Melissa Bright: 1:04:54

Yeah, I am sure at some point I have listeners in Seattle or at least they might be coming to visit there. So that's worth. That's definitely worth mentioning. How can people get in touch with you or watch any of your stuff? I know you guys are everywhere. But what's the easiest way to find you guys?

Travis Schumacher: 1:05:12

Yeah, I think the easiest way to find this is on YouTube. That's our biggest platform right now. And you can find this at healing vibrations. We also do have Instagram and we're kind of working with tick tock or, you know, we're struggling with the best set content making that you can find us at healing vibrations media, on Instagram, and every other platform. Every platform is healing vibrations media.

Melissa Bright: 1:05:38

Perfect, perfect. Okay, so I ask, is it first of all, I want to ask if there's anything I left out, before I asked my last question. Is there anything that I didn't ask that you guys want people to know about? Healing vibrations, or the sound baths or anything? I just want to make sure I ask the right questions.

Travis Schumacher: 1:05:57

I feel that we've covered quite quite a bit of good stuff.

Melissa Bright: 1:06:01

Awesome. Okay, so I'm gonna ask you guys both to answer these questions. And I'll Drew, are you in a good spot right now? Because I might put you on the spot first. Sure. Okay. So I always ask my guests this, in your own words, what does the bright side of life mean to you?

Drew Griffen: 1:06:22

Put on the spot, I know.

Melissa Bright: 1:06:24

I never tell my guests I'm asking this,

Drew Griffen: 1:06:26

the bright side of life to me.

Melissa Bright: 1:06:31

I guess I guess

Drew Griffen: 1:06:33

that's what we're all constantly striving for. Right. So to me, the bright side of life, like immediately, my first thought was, like, we moved during the pandemic, from the city, to the suburbs. And in our backyard, the property behind us is just like this wide open field with like, all these all these leaves, leaves, trees, and, and my favorite thing is to like, take time, whenever possible, to sit out there either alone or with my family. And just like not watch TV, not listen to anything. And just like, relax, and enjoy that we're in this space. And, you know, think back to our old place downtown. Like always someone like dig into the trash and yummy. And just think about like how good we have it, I can't believe that we were able to find this house. And I like to appreciate that I'm able to go back there like during the day, because I am able to work from home and I can take, you know, a lunch out in the backyard if I want just relax. So yeah, I guess it would be appreciating everything that you have going for you. And I think that's obviously varying levels of, of good for everyone. But everyone's got something that they can appreciate. And those who have more should probably spend even more time appreciating that right? So I try to remind myself of that as much as possible.

Melissa Bright: 1:08:12

Yeah, I love that. I love that I love hearing because everybody's interpretation is truly different for their life experiences and what they've been through. And so that's a perfect definition. So thank you for that. All right, Travis, your turn, what does the bright side of life mean to you?

Travis Schumacher: 1:08:29

Um, so the bright side of life for me, like, right when you said it right off the bat was just being in the moment and being absolutely present. And especially the ones where you're not filled with stress. But I feel like there's, you know, all of life is a bright side, you know, and it's like, there's life is bright in general, even when it's really, really dark. Because, you know, like, we experienced stress and all that stuff. And for me, those times are so dark. And when I come out of those moments, that's when I'm really in the bright side of life. Because like, my energy is different, I feel different. And I can just bask in presence and do the things that I love. So yeah, the bright side of life, to me is living a life as stress free as possible and doing the things that you enjoy the most in the moments that you're alive.

Melissa Bright: 1:09:27

Yeah, I love that. So to go off, like I'm always changing my definition of the bright side of life and like recently, I'm not going to try to get emotional, but I've like really have really struggled with energy and fatigue, like crawling to even like do this episode today has been, it's just like every day is torture for me. And so the second I finally don't feel tired for two seconds. I cling on to that moment for so long. Because I've been struggling for a while. I deal with this. And so I'm like, if this is what I feel like good right now I have energy, I feel alert, I feel awake, like, Don't ever take advantage of this. If I get your full my full energy and stuff back, like Melissa, you just go. And so it's like appreciating those moments, because we do have some dark moments, but then that's when you get that glimmer of hope, light, whatever. And like, that's kind of where I'm at now. I'm like, Oh, so you described it perfectly? Well,

Travis Schumacher: 1:10:31

I resonate with that a lot. And this stress can be debilitating. You know, unlike is like the world eating your soul. But then those days that you feel good and motivated and going, it's gonna be like this forever. I know. You wake up the next day, and you're back and you're like, Oh, God one day.

Melissa Bright: 1:10:51

Yep, exactly. Exactly. Well, Drew and Travis, guys, I cannot thank you enough for coming on here to share everything about healing vibrations. What you guys are doing is so awesome, and helping so many people. And hopefully, I got you guys a whole lot more audience members to enjoy everything that you guys are doing.

Travis Schumacher: 1:11:13

You are amazing. Thank you for being such an amazing host. Thank you for bringing us into your community. We can't wait to share it with our community also, and hope everyone can see this and see your podcast. And we appreciate your time. Thank you so much for the great conversation.

Melissa Bright: 1:11:27

Yes, absolutely.

Drew Griffen: 1:11:29

Thanks for having us on. Really appreciate it.

Melissa Bright: 1:11:31

Yeah. Alright guys, I'm going to end the broadcast. Thank you guys for listening to this week's episode. I hope you guys enjoyed listening to Travis and drew I highly, highly, highly encourage you to go check out their YouTube channel healing vibrations. It is such an awesome show it the sound bats are incredible. They are so relaxing. Definitely don't try to listen to them while you're driving. And just yeah, let me know what you guys think. And I hope this was beneficial to you guys. As you know, I always say at the end of my show, if you know anyone that may need to hear their story and what they are doing, please please share it with them. Because we never know if this is the one that puts hope back in their heart.